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  • vedicman
    01-14 08:46 AM
    I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
    How is misleading members not wrong? Check willigetgc's response

    It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
    Sharing ideas are good. But if you looked at plainspeak first post he was pretty much goading members to come after him.

    There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
    Couldn't agree with you more!

    Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
    Plainspeak posted his view, few agreed with him, most disagreed - but he (My traditional upbringing does not allow me to think a girl can be so confrontational with strangers - so I will go on considering plainspeak as a man) kept up with his goading responding to each member. I cannot think of anyone with good intentions spending time to respond to comments that are not worthwhile.......

    Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
    Amen

    Let me see if I understand PlainSpeak's language:
    1. IV core needs to put a lot of resources to lobby for the DV bill, knowing full well that this bill will go nowhere!

    2. Raise a false sense of hope among the EB3 community, again, knowing full well that its going to be dashed - just so that IV gains the trust of EB3 (I am EB3, and they have my trust without your logic!)

    3. An exercise to gain trust by misleading!:D

    I wonder why IV core did not come up with this brilliant idea ;)

    My responses are in blue

    My advice to you, this forum gives members a chance to voice their problems and many members help with suggestions and experiences. IV works for relieving our problems - and if their intentions are on our side, we need to help them and not fight amongst us or them. Judge by what the administrators of this org say.





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  • joshraj
    07-26 01:27 PM
    Question for Lawyer or Senior Members of Forum:


    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I myself is currently in H1B and my wife on H4. We both have EAD and AP which we�re never activated since we had our H1 and H4 and my wife has not started working.

    She should be starting work very soon and hence we would like to renew her EAD and AP. Also as part of her new job she needs to travel oustide US. So the question I had is whether she can travel outside US on her currenty valid AP with the application for renewal of AP/EAD in processing with USCIS.

    Thank You All for Your Help!

    Regards,
    Josh





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  • hpandey
    02-15 11:30 AM
    Bestia,

    First thanks 4 your advice. We'll send 2 separate cheques, one 4 me and one 4 my husband.Is this what U meant when suggesting 2 send "my own cheque"?

    Why do U say I have good chance to have my AOS adjudecated? I really needed to hear that. Can U be more specific? Any idea/guess how long could it take to get GC?

    About EAD. I 'm on H4, not working yet, that's why I am eager to get EAD. Do U think that there is no chance to get it within the 90 days? My husband is on H1B an he has I40 already approved. He won't leave his job that's for sure.

    What "IV" stands for? Where can I found more about it?


    Hi

    IV stands for Immigration Voice and you are writing these posts on the forums on its website.

    Go to Immigrationvoice.org Home Page to know more





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 02:11 PM
    IV works in the interests of both EB2 and EB3 as amitjoey mentioned. we cannot create a Bill to get relief for only one category.
    There already exists an very small, unsuccesful org for just EB3 that core is aware of, and they consider IV as their competitors because
    1. They do not understand and know nothing of how IV works (just like plainspeak)
    2. They want to get donations and members away from IV and make money

    These statements give her away. This is what they do try to pressurize IV to do their agenda. Enough said. Ignore the sales agent. They are trying to incite a fight between EB2 and EB3 just to split IV.

    The other posts were just a diversion to show you are not completely rogue. You just have a single agenda - to promote your organization.
    Wow can one person with an idea make such a difference or is IV an organiation with such a deep sense of hostility that they see enemies everywhere

    I am a simple person who does my job and helps people when i can and yes like every human i have ideas and hopes. Now when i get an idea about an invention i would go to the patents forum and when i get and idea about say investing i would go to an investing forum. Now when i got an idea related to immigration i have come to the forum which stands like a beacon for all immigration community or are you incapable of recognising the fact that that IV (and that means all you guys in in) is big hugh and was doing the right thing when no one else was.
    Even now i do not think what IV is doing is wrong. I have differences with the outcome of their approach becasue i feel that this approach wil be bad for EB3. Out of all the people commenting out here there has been NOT even ONE person who has tried to understand the reason for why i feel EB3 is going to get in bad shape. Not one has tried to understand what i have been trying to say that NO big or small immigration bill will pass anytime soon and this will lead to EB2 retrogration which will be going against the statement which all you people like to say that is that EB2wil become current and EB3 will get better later so do not rock the boat
    And yes i choose not to donate and participate because on principle

    There already exists an very small, unsuccesful org for just EB3 that core is aware of, and they consider IV as their competitors because
    And yes i am sure there are many such organizations which may have been started as competition toIV and are not succesfull. Now if i was a fool i would go down the same path but i am not and i have realized that IV is the only vehcial of change. Now when IV tends to speak of EB retrogression they are sepaking on my behalf and when they are doing something on my behalf and if i feel what ever is being done is being determintal to my GC case am i not supposed to even ask IV.

    So let me get this straight you are using my GC case as a reference in your charter and i have no say in what you do with my case. I wish i had a lawyer to back me up on this. Just Kidding!

    1. They do not understand and know nothing of how IV works (just like plainspeak)
    2. They want to get donations and members away from IV and make money
    Hey keep your money to yourselves i do not want your money. Hey if things pan out i might even start contributing to IV.

    These statements give her away. This is what they do try to pressurize IV
    You guys are so pathetic and lame. Do you think anyone needs a plan to scare you guys. All i did was start and email thread which had nothing scary, no abuse, no threats only a request for discussion and also and understanding that things may not work out and with all this 3/4th of you guys are running around scared like headless chickens and using abuse and threat.

    So take my word for it. You guys are a bunch of scardy cats. I am surprised how you do lobyying. Must be some realy tough guys and gals in the core team otherwise you guys would have destroyed IV by now. Please do not try to get into core and destroy it, they are doing a good job without you knee jerk reactionist spoiling it for them

    The other posts were just a diversion to show you are not completely rogue. You just have a single agenda - to promote your organization

    Do you think some one would go to all this length of providing helpful posts and do all the drege work all to just convince you. Please do not think so high about yourselves. As i said before to scare you all i need to do is write one post and that is not my strength that is you guys weakness whcih is on display here.
    And what single agenda and organization are you talking about as far as i am comcerned there is only one organzation for EB Retrogression relief and that is IV
    All my other posts are genuine and they have been written because in some cases i genuenly fell the need to speak up seeing how you guys shoot down anything rElated to EB3 without seing the merits and pros and cons of it and in some cases i felt i could share info with someone who was looking for some answers whcih should have been answered by you guys but all of you were busy abusing my other posts. Actually i takethat back there were some other people from iV who repliesd back so sorry about that.

    Why is it so hard to understand that this is a genuine person with a genuine query not some anti imigrant or competitor to IV. You guys are like the CID in Mash 4077 (google that if you want calrification) who see enemies of the country everywhere and are paraniod about everyone.



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  • ItIsNotFunny
    11-06 03:17 PM
    Time to push it.. 200K will buy houses is quite believable given the points that we have monies to do it, and given the market. We need a campaign. Also once the new President wins, never forget to congratulate him and at the same time request help.

    Lets do this. Contgratulate Obama with proposal of GC for House scheme (need better words though :)).





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  • jetflyer
    06-02 10:51 AM
    ss benefits when we retire is such a long way away ..who knows what the situation will be that time

    You are so right that ss may not be there when we need, so we should raise voice today and fight for ourselves. We pay 40-45% of our hard earned money in tax, SS, medicare, insurance, etc. and then pay another 30% in housing... what left for us ? 25%??? is that what we work for ? even if you have your own paidoff house govt. want house tax 1-3% of current value of your house every year... what the heck. all this when we even don't get fair share of job market?
    we must raise voice for NO SS, Medicare for H1b/EAD exactly same way as they say in job positing NO H1b/EAD - ONLY US Citizen/Green Card nee to apply, then yes ONLY US Citizen/Green Card holder need to pay SS + Medicare.



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  • _TrueFacts
    09-05 02:20 PM
    IMV members and readers, we have been here in US for quite long and know the secret to successful life in US, just to say one: always abide by law and live your values.

    After you get your GC, you may or may not visit IMV, fine. But make sure you look at things from an unbiased attitude and uphold your values and culture all the time. Most of you might retire in your home countries, so it makes every sense for us to look at how things are back home.





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  • msp1976
    02-13 02:50 PM
    I don't think so. 7% limit has been there for a very long time. Unused visas from prior years for ac21 purposes were still subject to 7% in current year. The 7% rule was unchanged.

    It seems that you think that the unused visas from prior year were not subject to 7%. There is nothing of the sort that allows this.


    Refer to this text.....

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-II-I-1152.html#_a_

    TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part I, Sec. 1152.

    Look at paragraph a(5)

    (5) Rules for employment-based immigrants

    (A) Employment-based immigrants not subject to per country
    limitation if additional visas available
    If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 1153(b) of this title for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter.
    (B) Limiting fall across for certain countries subject to
    subsection (e) of this section
    In the case of a foreign state or dependent area to which subsection (e) of this section applies, if the total number of visas issued under section 1153(b) of this title exceeds the maximum number of visas that may be made available to immigrants of the state or area under section 1153(b) of this title consistent with subsection (e) of this section (determined without regard to this paragraph), in applying subsection (e) of this section all visas shall be deemed to have been required for the classes of aliens specified in section 1153(b) of this title.


    This is the section that allows for the 7% cap to be violated in case additional visas are available.................

    This is the one many anti immigrant people tried to get removed again and again......


    USCIS did not do anything wrong in 2005 nor in 2006.....By allocating additional visas to India/China USCIS did not do anything wrong...You can sue them ....USCIS has good grounds to defend their position.....You would not get anywhere...



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  • forever_waiting
    01-13 12:21 PM
    Few questions for the self proclaimed expert analyst who started this thread -
    1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
    2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation? I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
    3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.

    I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread.
    Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim.





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  • kalyan
    12-13 01:00 PM
    Either way, be cautious and thoughtable before you fight against the state

    Also, i saw in CNN, for some (who are mexican's also), they served in US military (they are not here legallY) and got the Green Card becoz they shared the nations passion in Iraq.

    Think some thing like that here too rather than challenge the state and constitution

    If you talk with Caste like in India, may be somewhere down the line, you might ask a state for indians (which is like kashmir for muslims).



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  • ebizash
    07-29 05:50 PM
    Any other funny stories.

    Seems like you are having lot of fun reading this thread!! You should pay some sort of entertainment tax to IV for this. :D :D





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  • doomer
    01-13 06:16 PM
    what the heck is all this
    i cant even understand a single word
    is it going to effect the students who did their masters here?
    right now im working as a contractor i did my masters over here
    is it gonna effect me now
    :mad::confused:



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  • chintu25
    02-13 11:14 AM
    Yeah I had the same confusion
    ROW IS REST OF THE WORLD





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  • Jimi_Hendrix
    10-04 09:37 AM
    I have seen at least three thread in the past that discussed labor sub bashing. So you guys made your point, it is an evil practice and it screws those standing behind. We already know that this practice might be ended soon. So why are we discussing this issue for the fourth time all over again? :rolleyes:



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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 11:19 AM
    I love this thread. Plainspeak is a worthless guy with worthless opinion entertaining all of us with silly thread and responding to everyone. Dude did you get some problem in life and have so much time to write? If you really want something you could have done something till now.

    You do not even want to meet any lawmaker. You believe in watching CSpan and lawyers lobby for you. Go and contact CSpan and lawyers to help you. Why are you here?
    You do not even want to meet any lawmaker. No i donot want to meet any law maker especially representing IV because i do not beleive what IV proposes (and which i have to rep[eate to teh law maker) is doing is going to do good to my personal case of GC (and yes if you want to call me selfish go ahead but remember eveyrone here is becasue they want to do something about thier personal GC case so everyone is selfish)

    You believe in watching CSpan and lawyers lobby for you. Go and contact CSpan and lawyers to help you. Yes i believe in watching CSpan and lawyers lobby becasue that gives me an understanding as to what direction a bill is taking or for that matter what is the hope iof a immigration provision in a specific bill. Of course i do not come into teh forum and start a thread and give a minute bny minute uopdate of cspan like some memebers do.

    Why are you here? I am here because any thing which impacts my GC case impacts me and i am here to ensure that





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  • vdlrao
    07-25 12:35 AM
    Ever Since August Bullitien came out Ron has posted not to raise any hopes

    I doubt it whether he knows about the USCIS has changed the spill overs to horizontal fall outs and due to that the number of visas added to EB2 India/China. The horizontal spill over is giving a greatest adventage to EB2 India and making it run to catch up CURRENT. I see in the link http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5456&page=8 , in one post he is predicting " I expect to see substantial worldwide EB3 movement during the next fiscal year." . But its not true because the EB3 world wide wont have many visas as before from now on. The EB3 world wide will move based on the 7% quota but not more than that.



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  • Macaca
    01-28 09:22 AM
    The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.


    This is exactly what IEEE-USA (http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/issues/H1bvisa/index.html)is asking for us. It is not good for us now, it will not be good for us later and it is not good for anyone.

    We need to educate ourselves about these issues. Ignoring them will not help. Just because we ignore it does not mean that the person voting on our bill is also ignoring it.

    Based on such issues that I learn everyday, I am not surprised our bill is not passing.





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  • texanguy
    09-23 02:20 PM
    I think it would serve better to our community to channel our efforts toward eliminating the need of EAD and AP document and have I-485 receipt serve as those documents. It will take the pain away for the waiting people.
    All the USCIS needs to do is to declare that they will accept I-485 receipt as a proof for employment eligibility (maybe along with passport etc.)

    i mean afterall, do you really think that congress will pass any legal immigration bill before election? i dont think so, it probably would be in the lame duck session if we are lucky.





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  • sodh
    01-28 07:28 PM
    Thanks for the clarification msyedy, and your valuable time.





    mbawa2574
    02-14 01:34 PM
    Let's stay united and focus on the orignal agenda. Removing country based caps from Employment Based Green cards is a valid agenda and is been there before this VB popped up. Skills don't need a cap.Business should be able to hire best and brightest here without any country limits.

    Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.





    mbawa2574
    02-14 01:34 PM
    Let's stay united and focus on the orignal agenda. Removing country based caps from Employment Based Green cards is a valid agenda and is been there before this VB popped up. Skills don't need a cap.Business should be able to hire best and brightest here without any country limits.

    Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.



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